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Firlefanz: Yeah. I don't bother with it anymore either, since I plan on Indie-Publishing.








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Rick: It will be time consuming the first few times around. Then your writing style will improve, and you won't have to spend that time anymore.

But yeah, some writing rules are not that helpful. And sometimes, passive voice is even the better choice, but it depends... as always.

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I thought edits were supposed to reduce the word count. So far the edits I am doing have increased the number of words in my story by 337! emoticon

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Not necessarily.

Edits are supposed to make the story BETTER.

Sometimes, that means cutting parts that slow the story down, detract from the main plot, or are downright boring.

And sometimes, that means more explanations, more character exposure and more details.

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I had a "chapter break" ambush yesterday evening. I had not planned it, but the new section called for an edit in my story bible before I could proceed. I am wondering about chapters now even though the story is not complete yet. I did a fast google search and discovered I am not alone on these mysterious breaks in a story. There are a lot of different opinions on what a chapter is and how big one should be. Some sites even call for unnumbered breaks inside the chapter! Very obscure stuff since there appear to be no consensus guidelines on exactly what a chapter is and a lot of "just know" proclamations that are not helpful.

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Unfortunately, there really are no firm rules on chapters. So basically, you're on your own.

I like to keep chapters to one PoV, but that doesn't work when you're shifting them quickly, as in battle or other times of lots of action. So I tend to make the battle one chapter, with little breaks in between. That kind of break can just be a single blank line to indicate a shift in PoV.

I hope that helps...

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I updated the TABA topic today. I am looking at it with a tinge of sadness because it looks like my book is approaching its conclusion. It is an odd feeling, part of me is happy because I know I will finish the book. Another part of me is sad because I have to say goodbye to a lot of the books "fill in characters" which I will probably never see again.

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*hugs*

Many writers talk about "finishing blues". I think it's normal, although for me it hasn't been much of a problem. I can understand that you'll miss your characters, though. emoticon

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I think that "finishing blues" feeling is one of the reasons a lot of writers have sequels.

I am starting to understand why publishers want to see something besides a one paragraph story description from new authors. My current spot in the TABA story is both complicated and frustrating for me right now. I know where I am going but I never planned the path to get there and that makes it hard to do the actual "getting there" sequence of events.

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So many things in a story that need to be balanced:

characters and their development
plot and tension throughout the tale
world settings and action

So yeah, publishers want to have an idea whether an author can manage that.

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Background scenes. I see them all the time in books where characters talk about something that relates to the world they live in. I like that "historical or event background" touch when it isn't overdone. What I don't like, as a reader is when the scene doesn't relate to the character's actions or future decisions inside the story. When that happens I think the author is just adding to the book to get the word/page count up.

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Yep. Sometimes publishers want some "padding" to bring the word count up.

Same with infodumps. Seems they were totally okay a couple of decades ago. I always hated them.

It's fun to write little extra stories set in those scenes, though.

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Yesterday, when I got home, I thought I had two or three hours to work on my book before bedtime. I made a cup of coffee and fired everything up. Two hours later I woke up! I had fallen asleep in my chair, and my coffee was way past the drinkable stage (it was yucky).

So I closed everything back down and went to bed. So much for writing when I am tired. emoticon

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I know I have not finished my first draft yet but reading about what I will have to go through to see my novel published seems to border on the ridiculous! It is almost like a system designed to inspire writers to find another way to get their work out to the public. Could this be one of the reasons self-publishing has grown so much?

A letter for this one, a synopsis for that one, three chapters to the girl on the right, ten pages for the boy on the left.

Don't call us, please call first, we want it ready to publish. We'll help you get it ready.

Standard format? Which one? "First one on the left, then on until the morning!"

Argh! I am not stupid, but some of this publishing stuff is about as clear as mud in a hurricane. emoticon

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The problem is that it's a system that is still half-heartedly trying to adapt to the digital age. Plus they have no idea what really sells.

So they gamble. And to minimize the risk, they do a few things that make life even harder for authors:

- they reduced the advances
- the fired the experienced (and expensive) editors and replaced them with interns or young MAs
- they no longer pay much for marketing
- they grab rights, just in case some book turns out to be bestsellers (and then they want to wring the most out of it!)
- they rely on agents to do the pre-screening
- they merged and bought up small publishers to reduce competition
- they fight very hard to keep print distribution out of reach of self-publishers (they have already mostly lost the ebook fight)

Basically, their old business system no longer works. And their ideal author is someone who - somehow - has already built up a large following, has proven they can write by doing well as indie, and who is gullibe enough to still want the validation from a big publisher.

I'm not doing well with my books, and it's because I don't do well with my marketing. But I'm not willing to give up control for that little bit of marketing publishers still do. It was bad enough when I couldn't edit my own ebooks while working through a designer. Now I can update them whenever I need to.


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I am thinking about the marketing side of things now. My thoughts run like this. Even if I manage to land my book with the publishing house I am targeting I should not expect them to do everything. I should promote my own book if I can do so without violating my contract. This site looks like a good place to start my own brainstorming.

http://fitsmallbusiness.com/book-marketing-ideas/

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The way I see it: Why lose rights and control in a contract with a publisher, if you have to do everything yourself anyway (well, except possibly editing and cover creation)?

That looks like an interesting starting point. Except... never ever hire a PR professional. Too many people get conned that way. And some of those options only work for non-fiction.

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Reading this blog article now, and Kris Rusch really makes me glad I'm not even trying to be traditionally published.

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I’ve owned (and started) more businesses than I care to think about, and some of the branding stuff that I’ve done is just plain second nature to me. I never applied some of that branding stuff to writing before because I was traditionally published and I let my (inept) traditional publishers deal with the marketing. In theory, that was one of the reasons we partnered up. In practice, it was…well, the word “clusterfuck” comes to mind.



Whole article here: Business Musings: How To Build A Brand: The Early Stages (Branding/Discoverability)

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I was taking a glance over the first part of my novel before writing today, and a wild thought occurred. I am now thinking of my first draft manuscript as a highly detailed and extensive novel outline instead of it being a finished product.

I say this because there will be rewrites in many sections to change it to a more "people doing things" perspective. That means more characters being involved to show the story as it happens instead of just a single character, or narrator describing what happens.

Part of me wants to start doing that now, but I think that if I did that, I would be making a mistake.

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Follow your intuition. emoticon

I believe you just discovered what "show, don't tell" really means. And that's a huge step in your growth as author.

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I am at an awkward moment on my first draft. Thank's to a pin I discovered yesterday I am plowing along in writing but, I do not like how long the scene is taking to develop. I know I can do better, but this scene might have stopped me from making any progress on my story back in November or December. Now I muscle my way along to get to the next scene. emoticon

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*hugs*

Huge progress. Muscleing through a scene is an ability every writer needs. And of course, there's always editing.

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In my quest to keep things "real" I spent over an hour researching the way in which features are named on solar system bodies! Fantasy and Fictional place names are so much easier for me.
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Yup. Part of writing SF.

Now you know why I usually prefer Fantasy. emoticon

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On the scene sequences, I am working on now I had a major fight with myself. On one hand, I wanted to follow my characters to see what happened. On the other hand, I thought maybe the story would work better if I went to the rescue sequence and let the story of what happened come out from a point once removed from the actual events.

In the end, I decided to go with option two. I can always add the event into the story later if it turns out that I need it.

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Whatever you don't put in the book can go up on your website as "Extras" or "Outtakes." And if it can be its own complete story, you can sell it/them as a short story collection ... novelettes/novellas. emoticon

Check out Diana Gabaldon's website. She posts excerpts on there, and she has a list of her novels and the smaller works that weave in and out of the novels' timelines.







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I like those ideas Jox. emoticon

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After all, we are creating worlds that our fans hopefully love. Most of them like additional stories, backgroud, bits and pieces - and all that is marketing material.

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quote:

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I like those ideas Jox. emoticon


 emoticon You are most welcome. emoticon

If you have enough 'Extras' & 'Outtakes' you can put them in an eBook of their own ... or at the end of the novels themselves.







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I have been thinking about it and have decided that I need to pay more attention to my "government" subplot in my story. Not to the extent of bringing it into a major role but more like an undercurrent role that readers will recognize in my sequel to the current project.

I am putting it off until I start the "first draft edit" process because I want to finish the main story first.

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