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Sent my school in.


My re-edited first chapter and second chapter. Goodness I hope I did a good job! Grr, I hate waiting and they take a long time.
My brain is trying to tell me I wrote junk. emoticon
Does anyone else have this problem?

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*hugs*

I always think that when I submit stuff. It simpy can't be good enough. Eventually, though, it will be.

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Thank you. *Sniffs*
Sometimes I feel like kicking my internal editor out the window. I think it's harder on me then anyone else!
But on the flip side I guess that helps me write better. Right? Please say there's a silver lining to this cloud!

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You need your internal editor, yes. However, there's a time for it to shut up and let you write. So, kicking it is okay. It's there to serve you, after all, not to stop you.

Keep writing! emoticon

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Firle said, Keep writing!


I think I'd go crazy if I couldn't write! On second thought maybe I already am. emoticon

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Well I got my school back, finally. Apparently I'm dumb for not understanding grammar.

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Is that all they said? Geez. emoticon

Keep writing. You're good. emoticon

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Thanks, Firle. emoticon
I got two comments on my writing, a whole bunch on my grammar, and some about not understanding some of the fantasy elements.
It wasn't so much what was said it was how it was said. emoticon

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Well, let me put it this way: They didn't know what to say about your story (since they only understood part of it), so they picked on the grammar.

Ahem.

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That's the conclusion I've come to. emoticon I don't think my tutor likes or wants to understand fantasy though, because my mom, who doesn't like fantasy, understood the parts pointed out. As well some of it gets explained later on in the book. I can't dump it all in the first chapter, can I? emoticon


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I have found that many people who think of themselves as somewhat well-read and literary make a point of not understanding fantasy. They seem unwilling to let go of that certain rationality which ties them to this world.

Their loss, if you ask me. emoticon

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Their loss, if you ask me.

Yeah. emoticon
I just thought of something: She clearly doesn't want to help me with grammar and hasn't really mentioned my story or writing, so what is she going to help me with? emoticon

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There aren't actually any "rules" to writing. I think thats the most important lesson a writer can ever learn. There can only ever be guidelines.

Grammar is just a guideline; yes, you have to understand it to know how to misuse it with style, but at the end of the day, even spelling is only a guideline.

You can butcher anything you want, and as long as it works, you'll pull it off. But the only way to measure if it works is to check it in context with the story, and if the person (editor/teacher whatever) doesn't understand the story, how can they ever hope to know if you pulled off your grammar?

You should talk to her or email her about your concerns about what she can help you with. But don't stress about her not "getting" you. Some people simply wont, they can't detach enough to enjoy a flight of fantasy - and in my experience, these people are usually teachers of writing or English.

More and more as I develop my voice in my writing, I worry that people won't get me, or that they will miss the point - but, even if most people don't get it, I'm confident some people will - and more to the point, I'm true to my voice, and true to my story, and true to what I want to write.

So, forget the comments that aren't helpful (remember criticism can be helpful) and be true to your voice, and be honest with your talents (ie, learn grammar if you know its somewhere you struggle).

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Now that I think about it her not understanding fantasy might be a good thing. I can make sure things are explained clearly.
The worse about the grammar is I don't know something is a problem until it's pointed out. So she is helping me in a way.
I think the problem was I was already having doubts about my novel and her comments on top of everything else made continuing seem pointless.

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quote:

Blitzen wrote:
You can butcher anything you want, and as long as it works, you'll pull it off. But the only way to measure if it works is to check it in context with the story, and if the person (editor/teacher whatever) doesn't understand the story, how can they ever hope to know if you pulled off your grammar?



I've heard this theory before and I'm still not sure if I agree entirely with it. I mean, I certainly agree that proper grammar doesn't make a story. You can write with perfect grammar and still have a horrible story if it's boring or has uninteresting characters, for example. So I agree that an editor or reader should definitely look for more than JUST grammar.

But on the other hand, grammar and spelling are the foundations of writing. Not to use proper grammar and spelling is like an architect designing a building without worrying about its structural stability: it might look fabulous, but if the building falls down, the architect still did a horrible job! I see proper grammar and spelling in much the same way: even if the plot and characters of a story are awesome, the story is still going to come across poorly if there isn't decent grammar and spelling to back it up. Though it's true that most grammar and spelling mistakes are just an annoyance, some of them CAN cause confusion or misinterpretation, which is the number one story killer in my mind.

It's fine to not worry about your grammar and spelling while working on the rough drafts. In fact, that's probably a good thing, since at that point, you've got more important things to do! But I think that once you get to the point of handing the story off to a reader to edit, you ought to have cleaned up the grammar along with the plot. That's just common courtesy to me. I mean, if the reader is going to spend her time reading your story, isn't it only fair that you spend your own time editing it first? I know a lot of people disagree and claim that the story is still "just a draft" and thus "little things" like spelling and grammar should be overlooked, but as a beta-reader, I just can't do that. I know there are others who can't either.

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I just thought of something: She clearly doesn't want to help me with grammar and hasn't really mentioned my story or writing, so what is she going to help me with?



Yeah, this seems really odd to me, Trying. Like I said above, I would understand if she really nailed you on your grammar (assuming you actually deserved the criticism and she wasn't just being ridiculous, that is). But she should also be talking about the plot, characters, dialogue, etc. If she doesn't do that, then she's being a terrible editor.

Who is this person and why is she editing your stuff if she hates the topic? Was this an editor you chose, or just a random person? Because it really sounds to me like you need a better editor, Trying!!

Also, if you have any specific questions, I hope you know you can post them here. Meadows and I can explain the grammar for sure, and everyone can give you input on plot and characters. Just holler if you need help! emoticon

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Reythia, the point is: if it works, you can get away with it. Even Charles Dickens, in dialogue, worried less about spelling and more about sounds. HP Lovecraft used archaic language in all his works (shew instead of show) even though when he wrote it was out of fashion. Of course, if it doesn't work, your story is dead.

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Who is this person and why is she editing your stuff if she hates the topic? Was this an editor you chose, or just a random person? Because it really sounds to me like you need a better editor, Trying!!


She was assigned to me...before the school asked what kind of novel I'm writing of course.
I seem to have the most trouble with commas. Putting them in where they don't belong and not putting them when they're needed. emoticon

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tryingtowrite wrote:
I seem to have the most trouble with commas. Putting them in where they don't belong and not putting them when they're needed. emoticon



Well, if you're stumped, you can always post a section of your stuff on here and we'll go over it with a fine-tooth grammatical comb. At least we can tell you whether to bother listening to her or not!

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Even Charles Dikkens, in dialogue, worried less about spelling and more about sounds. HP Lovecraft used archaic language in all his works (shew instead of show) even though when he wrote it was out of fashion. Of course, if it doesn't work, your story is dead.



Ah.... I see what you're saying now. Thing is, these two examples you've given aren't really examples of bad grammar. There are no real rules on grammar inside of spoken quotes, simply because we don't speak English grammatically. The punctuation around the quotes has relevant grammatical rules, but as long as the quote itself is comprehensible, it's not wrong. As for the example of archaic vs modern speech, while that's obviously unusual, as long as he's consistent, there's nothing grammatically wrong with it either.

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I might take you up on that sometime. Right now I'm working through a grammar course and haven't reached the comma part yet. I'll see if I understand it better afterwards.

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Okiedokie.
Good luck!

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Thanks! I'll probably need it. emoticon emoticon

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Well, how about the grammar rule where you can't start a sentence with and or but. But people do. And it works. Or what about writing in sentences. People don't. Sometimes.

I have one last example. I heard about a story. I have NEVER read it. But supposedly in Flowers for Algernon, the grammar and spelling start off bad and improve as the viewpoint character, a person who has down syndrome, goes through a process to make him a genius. If it doesn't, that would still be a good way to use bad grammar.

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Blitzen's right. Flowers for Algernon is an amazing story (I recommend it to everyone) and Charlie's first-person progris riport style of writing is basically essential to its impact.

In fiction, you can break all the rules you want to. The more you break, the more you are likely to be called a genius (look at James Joyce).

But don't start breaking rules that you don't yet understand. Unless you're incredibly lucky, the result will just be something that looks like you don't understand what you're doing.



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David Meadows wrote:

Unless you're incredibly lucky, the result will just be something that looks like you don't understand what you're doing.




Amazing how accurate this is, in all things.

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Blitzen's right. Flowers for Algernon is an amazing story (I recommend it to everyone) and Charlie's first-person progris riport style of writing is basically essential to its impact.



AGREED. I first read the book in eighth grade and it's still on my top 10 list. I'd recommend it to anyone.

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